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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 4, 2012 17:16:22 GMT -6
So in general, do y'all prefer the fluffier stories or the darker ones? Or perhaps a bit of both? Why? I definitely like dark. Dark, messed up situations with lots of crazy, but somehow likable characters. Anything that makes me think "Wow.. I can't believe I'm cheering for the guy who just did [insert unspeakable act of evil]". Even better is when dark meets fluff half-way, where I'd think "Aww.. that really pulls on my heartstrings despite the fact that it's kinda twisted". Why? Because I find flawed characters and bad situations to be more believable. When characters feel real, I feel more involved and am more likely to have a strong emotional reaction to the story. I usually can't tolerate straight fluff though, unless it's well written. Makes me feel uncomfortable. If I start rolling my eyes, it's a bad sign. I guess I wasn't hugged enough as a child? XD I kinda thought you might.  If you like the darker ones, perhaps you should look at the first thing I posted here. Sort of Jekyll-and-Hyde-esque in regards to Erik, with a very dark and twisted situation. |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 6, 2012 18:01:20 GMT -6
I think I may have been hugged too much. XD
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Post by wulphe on Jan 6, 2012 22:58:36 GMT -6
I think I may have been hugged too much. XD Heehee. I'll check out that fic tomorrow, most likely. I'm being bad right now.. I should already be asleep. But how can I sleep when funny things are happening on forums!? Also, I had too much coffee. *sigh* A fanfic I really enjoyed.. oh wait. I think I already said this somewhere on the forums. But ah hell, it really belongs here: Destruction of Obsession. It has some aspects that annoy me, but it was a very interesting take on Leroux. Basically, what if Erik had held Christine to her agreement to marry rather than letting her go with Raoul. Lots of darkness. And then a slightly lighter fic, and MUCH more Kay-influenced: The Chain Unbroken. It definitely has it's darkness too, but also a much more Sherlock-y Phantom, and (imo) a very interesting reason for Christine to leave Raoul. I cried multiple times reading that, not gonna lie. I think the "Chain Unbroken" is a more well put-together comosition - "Destruction" has a lot of action at first, then nothing for a while - but both are interesting. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 7, 2012 5:48:21 GMT -6
I read that story yesterday... and... well..um... It's nicely written and very easily to be read, but... it's confusing. At least for me. Christine goes like "Yes!", "No!", "Yes!", "Maybe!" and changes her mind like other people change their underwear. O.o I like how Erik is written, very Lerouxish... if he's not turning to Mr. Hyde that is... Christine on the other hand, bothers me to no end. But maybe I'm just seeing things and she suffers from stockholm syndrome here.... I really don't know if I like this story... But HEY! RAOUL DIES!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The ending really SUCKS, though! |
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Post by wulphe on Jan 7, 2012 6:44:17 GMT -6
I read that story yesterday... and... well..um... It's nicely written and very easily to be read, but... it's confusing. At least for me. Christine goes like "Yes!", "No!", "Yes!", "Maybe!" and changes her mind like other people change their underwear. O.o I like how Erik is written, very Lerouxish... if he's not turning to Mr. Hyde that is... Christine on the other hand, bothers me to no end. But maybe I'm just seeing things and she suffers from stockholm syndrome here.... I really don't know if I like this story... But HEY! RAOUL DIES!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The ending really SUCKS, though! Still need to read it (waiting for class to start now so I can't.. yet) but I'd think Christine exhibiting signs of Stockholm syndrome would be a good thing. At least, I think it's highly likely that's what happened in the book since Raoul pretty much describes it in everything but the name. >.> AHH! Must read this!! After class.  |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 7, 2012 8:24:08 GMT -6
I read that story yesterday... and... well..um... It's nicely written and very easily to be read, but... it's confusing. At least for me. Christine goes like "Yes!", "No!", "Yes!", "Maybe!" and changes her mind like other people change their underwear. O.o I like how Erik is written, very Lerouxish... if he's not turning to Mr. Hyde that is... Christine on the other hand, bothers me to no end. But maybe I'm just seeing things and she suffers from stockholm syndrome here.... I really don't know if I like this story... But HEY! RAOUL DIES!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The ending really SUCKS, though! Still need to read it (waiting for class to start now so I can't.. yet) but I'd think Christine exhibiting signs of Stockholm syndrome would be a good thing. At least, I think it's highly likely that's what happened in the book since Raoul pretty much describes it in everything but the name. >.> AHH! Must read this!! After class. Well, the term wasn't known back then, so... I mustsay I don't like the present time thing MANY people use with phantom... Nyu... |
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Post by nessundorma345 on Jan 7, 2012 8:57:26 GMT -6
Alright then. Here's some of my favorites. I have a love/hate relationship with this story. As a story, it's one of my favorites on the site and it's very well-written, but there's some OOC and deformity-downplaying issues. Check it out anyway, though, because I love it. ;D ;D ;D www.fanfiction.net/s/6557520/1/LAnge_NoirIt's nicely written... but... for my part I'd reather starve than giving in to that bossy, macho Erik, really. Call me bitchy, but ARGH! If anyone would keep me hostage like that, I wouldn't be nice to them at all. Grmpf. That stories does nothing for my dignity... but it really has anice writing style. I'll just have to fight finishing it... on the plus side, at least it does take her a pretty long time to come around. but...playboy Erik? that's the most OOC element I could ever think of for him besides taking away the deformity (which she pretty much does as well) ...I think i love how it's written in a sort of period drama style, like Jane Eyre or Pride and Prejudice. It gives the story a very unique feel to it even if Erik isn't portrayed in a very canon way |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 7, 2012 15:26:35 GMT -6
I read that story yesterday... and... well..um... It's nicely written and very easily to be read, but... it's confusing. At least for me. Christine goes like "Yes!", "No!", "Yes!", "Maybe!" and changes her mind like other people change their underwear. O.o I like how Erik is written, very Lerouxish... if he's not turning to Mr. Hyde that is... Christine on the other hand, bothers me to no end. But maybe I'm just seeing things and she suffers from stockholm syndrome here.... I really don't know if I like this story... But HEY! RAOUL DIES!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The ending really SUCKS, though! Yeah, I remember disliking this Christine quite a bit as well the first time I read it, but you have to consider all the crazy stuff she's going through. Leroux!Christine wasn't very decisive either, if you'll recall, but I think the author may have dwelt on that a bit too much. It's kind of like "Twisted Every Way" on steroids. As for the ending, I personally rather liked it. The fact that Christine was able to put all of this crazy stuff behind her and move on with her life is a lot healthier than the usual "I am in emotional agony for the rest of my miserable life because without my stalker I am nothing" sentiment one finds in a lot of fan-fiction Christines. She was able to heal, and I find that to be really comforting, in a way. After all, a lot of LeRoux E/C shippers tend to somehow conveniently forget the significant age gap, meaning that Erik will probably realistically die LONG before Christine does. I prefer the idea of Christine being able to heal and move on rather than being miserable and either wallowing in her grief for the rest of her days or committing suicide. I don't think she'd ever FORGET Erik, mind you, but I DO think she could live and enjoy life even if he wasn't there. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 8, 2012 9:58:45 GMT -6
I read that story yesterday... and... well..um... It's nicely written and very easily to be read, but... it's confusing. At least for me. Christine goes like "Yes!", "No!", "Yes!", "Maybe!" and changes her mind like other people change their underwear. O.o I like how Erik is written, very Lerouxish... if he's not turning to Mr. Hyde that is... Christine on the other hand, bothers me to no end. But maybe I'm just seeing things and she suffers from stockholm syndrome here.... I really don't know if I like this story... But HEY! RAOUL DIES!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The ending really SUCKS, though! Yeah, I remember disliking this Christine quite a bit as well the first time I read it, but you have to consider all the crazy stuff she's going through. Leroux!Christine wasn't very decisive either, if you'll recall, but I think the author may have dwelt on that a bit too much. It's kind of like "Twisted Every Way" on steroids. As for the ending, I personally rather liked it. The fact that Christine was able to put all of this crazy stuff behind her and move on with her life is a lot healthier than the usual "I am in emotional agony for the rest of my miserable life because without my stalker I am nothing" sentiment one finds in a lot of fan-fiction Christines. She was able to heal, and I find that to be really comforting, in a way. After all, a lot of LeRoux E/C shippers tend to somehow conveniently forget the significant age gap, meaning that Erik will probably realistically die LONG before Christine does. I prefer the idea of Christine being able to heal and move on rather than being miserable and either wallowing in her grief for the rest of her days or committing suicide. I don't think she'd ever FORGET Erik, mind you, but I DO think she could live and enjoy life even if he wasn't there. Well, maybe what pissed me off the most was this forced marriage stuff. I mean, just like that? How cheap. And I really don't think that Erik would do that. I know he wants her. Like REALLY wants her, but he'd never force her like that to marry him, apart from the fact that he'd have to rape her to cosume their marriage, and that's something I definatly will NEVER believe Erik would do. That's me just ranting I guess. |
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Post by wulphe on Jan 8, 2012 11:09:28 GMT -6
Yeah, I remember disliking this Christine quite a bit as well the first time I read it, but you have to consider all the crazy stuff she's going through. Leroux!Christine wasn't very decisive either, if you'll recall, but I think the author may have dwelt on that a bit too much. It's kind of like "Twisted Every Way" on steroids. As for the ending, I personally rather liked it. The fact that Christine was able to put all of this crazy stuff behind her and move on with her life is a lot healthier than the usual "I am in emotional agony for the rest of my miserable life because without my stalker I am nothing" sentiment one finds in a lot of fan-fiction Christines. She was able to heal, and I find that to be really comforting, in a way. After all, a lot of LeRoux E/C shippers tend to somehow conveniently forget the significant age gap, meaning that Erik will probably realistically die LONG before Christine does. I prefer the idea of Christine being able to heal and move on rather than being miserable and either wallowing in her grief for the rest of her days or committing suicide. I don't think she'd ever FORGET Erik, mind you, but I DO think she could live and enjoy life even if he wasn't there. Well, maybe what pissed me off the most was this forced marriage stuff. I mean, just like that? How cheap. And I really don't think that Erik would do that. I know he wants her. Like REALLY wants her, but he'd never force her like that to marry him, apart from the fact that he'd have to rape her to cosume their marriage, and that's something I definatly will NEVER believe Erik would do. That's me just ranting I guess. Destruction of Obsession also has a semi-forced marriage in it. Basically, Erik considers Christine turning the scorpion to mean that they are legitimately married, but Christine refuses to accept that so he arranges a ceremony with a blind priest to make it "real", and Christine's still really not happy about that. She's kinda in shock through most of the beginning.. just kinda shutting down and trying to force herself to hold up her end of the bargain to spare Raoul's life. Erik doesn't force consummation though, plus.. stuff happens. Actually, a good portion of that fic has Christine being.. very displeased with her situation. Definitely no "ZOMG I LOVE YOU!" OOC-ness. |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 8, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -6
Yeah, I remember disliking this Christine quite a bit as well the first time I read it, but you have to consider all the crazy stuff she's going through. Leroux!Christine wasn't very decisive either, if you'll recall, but I think the author may have dwelt on that a bit too much. It's kind of like "Twisted Every Way" on steroids. As for the ending, I personally rather liked it. The fact that Christine was able to put all of this crazy stuff behind her and move on with her life is a lot healthier than the usual "I am in emotional agony for the rest of my miserable life because without my stalker I am nothing" sentiment one finds in a lot of fan-fiction Christines. She was able to heal, and I find that to be really comforting, in a way. After all, a lot of LeRoux E/C shippers tend to somehow conveniently forget the significant age gap, meaning that Erik will probably realistically die LONG before Christine does. I prefer the idea of Christine being able to heal and move on rather than being miserable and either wallowing in her grief for the rest of her days or committing suicide. I don't think she'd ever FORGET Erik, mind you, but I DO think she could live and enjoy life even if he wasn't there. Well, maybe what pissed me off the most was this forced marriage stuff. I mean, just like that? How cheap. And I really don't think that Erik would do that. I know he wants her. Like REALLY wants her, but he'd never force her like that to marry him, apart from the fact that he'd have to rape her to cosume their marriage, and that's something I definatly will NEVER believe Erik would do. That's me just ranting I guess. The Killer made him do it! XD I do see your point, though in the book he practically DOES force her to marry him, and this one lacks the redemptive kiss and acceptance he needs to let go. But yeah, I don't think he would rape her. >.< |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 9, 2012 13:27:58 GMT -6
Well, maybe what pissed me off the most was this forced marriage stuff. I mean, just like that? How cheap. And I really don't think that Erik would do that. I know he wants her. Like REALLY wants her, but he'd never force her like that to marry him, apart from the fact that he'd have to rape her to cosume their marriage, and that's something I definatly will NEVER believe Erik would do. That's me just ranting I guess. The Killer made him do it! XD I do see your point, though in the book he practically DOES force her to marry him, and this one lacks the redemptive kiss and acceptance he needs to let go. But yeah, I don't think he would rape her. >.< I think I am just too picky. I want Christine to be scared, but not stupid. Naive but not suicidal (or more suicidal than she is in the book...) And Erik? For me, he's... well... noble. He... I want him to be honourable. God, that's so hard to explain. Like he wouldn't want to cross any lines, and he tries not to, but if he sees himself forced to do so, he'd just cross this one line, pretend it's okay and be a Gentleman again. But I want him to have rules for himself even he wouldn't break... I... I can't really explain. I just don't want him to take every chance of true characterdevelopment away from Christine by making every decision for her. You understand I hope... |
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Post by asianorange on Jan 9, 2012 14:55:56 GMT -6
I think I am just too picky. I want Christine to be scared, but not stupid. Naive but not suicidal (or more suicidal than she is in the book...) And Erik? For me, he's... well... noble. He... I want him to be honourable. God, that's so hard to explain. Like he wouldn't want to cross any lines, and he tries not to, but if he sees himself forced to do so, he'd just cross this one line, pretend it's okay and be a Gentleman again. But I want him to have rules for himself even he wouldn't break... I... I can't really explain. I just don't want him to take every chance of true characterdevelopment away from Christine by making every decision for her. You understand I hope... I like that characterization of Erik. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 9, 2012 15:32:15 GMT -6
I think I am just too picky. I want Christine to be scared, but not stupid. Naive but not suicidal (or more suicidal than she is in the book...) And Erik? For me, he's... well... noble. He... I want him to be honourable. God, that's so hard to explain. Like he wouldn't want to cross any lines, and he tries not to, but if he sees himself forced to do so, he'd just cross this one line, pretend it's okay and be a Gentleman again. But I want him to have rules for himself even he wouldn't break... I... I can't really explain. I just don't want him to take every chance of true characterdevelopment away from Christine by making every decision for her. You understand I hope... I like that characterization of Erik. I'm glad. I find it difficuld to express my thoughts sometimes ^.^ |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 9, 2012 21:29:46 GMT -6
The Killer made him do it! XD I do see your point, though in the book he practically DOES force her to marry him, and this one lacks the redemptive kiss and acceptance he needs to let go. But yeah, I don't think he would rape her. >.< I think I am just too picky. I want Christine to be scared, but not stupid. Naive but not suicidal (or more suicidal than she is in the book...) And Erik? For me, he's... well... noble. He... I want him to be honourable. God, that's so hard to explain. Like he wouldn't want to cross any lines, and he tries not to, but if he sees himself forced to do so, he'd just cross this one line, pretend it's okay and be a Gentleman again. But I want him to have rules for himself even he wouldn't break... I... I can't really explain. I just don't want him to take every chance of true characterdevelopment away from Christine by making every decision for her. You understand I hope... I believe I understand, yes. |
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If you like the darker ones, perhaps you should look at the first thing I posted here. Sort of Jekyll-and-Hyde-esque in regards to Erik, with a very dark and twisted situation.
