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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 4, 2012 15:48:42 GMT -6
What earlier works had an influence on the story of Erik and Christine? Who is a symbol of what? Let's read between the lines and analyze this amazing work of literature.
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Post by wulphe on Jan 4, 2012 16:39:46 GMT -6
I'm gonna point out the obvious and say that Faust and Bluebeard had influences, and probably Beauty and the Beast. Also, Mozart's Don Giovanni. It's a Gothic story, so I'll also throw in one of the original Gothic romance/horrors, The Monk.
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Post by nijil-xnv on Jan 4, 2012 17:16:26 GMT -6
I'm gonna point out the obvious and say that Faust and Bluebeard had influences, and probably Beauty and the Beast. Also, Mozart's Don Giovanni. It's a Gothic story, so I'll also throw in one of the original Gothic romance/horrors, The Monk. Yeah I would have to agree with that whole heartedly. Not to mention my mom was the one that pointed out I probably like Beauty and the Beast so much because of the Phantom... Oh mother how you know me... |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 5, 2012 2:48:29 GMT -6
I think he was also inspired by the story of Hades and Persophone.
Hades abducted her, because he loved her and let her go again because she asked him to, but only after she promised to return.
That's a very short summary, I know.
The Beauty and the Beast sheme is quite obvious, also some Hunchback of Notre Dame can be seen, don't you agree?
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Post by wulphe on Jan 5, 2012 11:19:26 GMT -6
I think he was also inspired by the story of Hades and Persophone. Hades abducted her, because he loved her and let her go again because she asked him to, but only after she promised to return. That's a very short summary, I know. The Beauty and the Beast sheme is quite obvious, also some Hunchback of Notre Dame can be seen, don't you agree? Agreed. |
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Post by nijil-xnv on Jan 5, 2012 12:44:16 GMT -6
I think he was also inspired by the story of Hades and Persophone. Hades abducted her, because he loved her and let her go again because she asked him to, but only after she promised to return. That's a very short summary, I know. The Beauty and the Beast sheme is quite obvious, also some Hunchback of Notre Dame can be seen, don't you agree? I wonder, if Leroux actually thought about all these stories while he was writing or if it's just coincidence. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 5, 2012 13:02:42 GMT -6
I think he was also inspired by the story of Hades and Persophone. Hades abducted her, because he loved her and let her go again because she asked him to, but only after she promised to return. That's a very short summary, I know. The Beauty and the Beast sheme is quite obvious, also some Hunchback of Notre Dame can be seen, don't you agree? I wonder, if Leroux actually thought about all these stories while he was writing or if it's just coincidence. Well, I think it just came naturally. We all kind of grew up knowing Beauty and the Beast and stories of the likes. Ancient legends knew tales of the beauty of the heart and looking bejond an ugly face. So... he might have not done that intentionally, but knowing it had been there before all the same ^.^ |
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Post by nijil-xnv on Jan 5, 2012 13:04:44 GMT -6
I wonder, if Leroux actually thought about all these stories while he was writing or if it's just coincidence. Well, I think it just came naturally. We all kind of grew up knowing Beauty and the Beast and stories of the likes. Ancient legends knew tales of the beauty of the heart and looking bejond an ugly face. So... he might have not done that intentionally, but knowing it had been there before all the same ^.^ He was inspired by the beauty underneath. *is shot* |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 5, 2012 13:09:47 GMT -6
Well, I think it just came naturally. We all kind of grew up knowing Beauty and the Beast and stories of the likes. Ancient legends knew tales of the beauty of the heart and looking bejond an ugly face. So... he might have not done that intentionally, but knowing it had been there before all the same ^.^ He was inspired by the beauty underneath. *is shot* *does the shooting* No really... maybe this belongs reather in the Mythology forum, but... Aphrodite wasn't happy with her ugly Hephaistos as well, forced to marry him and such... I just wonder what inspired him for Raoul... A seaman with feminin features, childlike and innocent at the age of 21... Were men like that awesome back then? |
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Post by nijil-xnv on Jan 5, 2012 13:22:49 GMT -6
He was inspired by the beauty underneath. *is shot* *does the shooting* No really... maybe this belongs reather in the Mythology forum, but... Aphrodite wasn't happy with her ugly Hephaistos as well, forced to marry him and such... I just wonder what inspired him for Raoul... A seaman with feminin features, childlike and innocent at the age of 21... Were men like that awesome back then? Some yes, but I don't know that a seaman would be. I think Raoul was jsut supposed to be innocence in all it's naivety, untouched somehow and thinking that the world was still so full of love and good. And Christine was the innocent that knew the world was not that place and therefore that's why she grabbed on to The Angel of Music, trying to hold on to that innocence from her father. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 5, 2012 13:33:05 GMT -6
*does the shooting* No really... maybe this belongs reather in the Mythology forum, but... Aphrodite wasn't happy with her ugly Hephaistos as well, forced to marry him and such... I just wonder what inspired him for Raoul... A seaman with feminin features, childlike and innocent at the age of 21... Were men like that awesome back then? Some yes, but I don't know that a seaman would be. I think Raoul was jsut supposed to be innocence in all it's naivety, untouched somehow and thinking that the world was still so full of love and good. And Christine was the innocent that knew the world was not that place and therefore that's why she grabbed on to The Angel of Music, trying to hold on to that innocence from her father. Hmmhmmm... I always found Raoul either to good to be true or to naive for his own good. Little stalker that he is. I'll never understand why it's okay for him to listen on doors and hide in garderobes, and Erik is the total creep because he sits behind a mirror... and would probably DIE of shame if he saw anything indecent. I find it sad that there's so little about the Persian though... Sometimes, I feel like he's been using Raoul to capture Erik, or same Christine (Though he doesn't seem to really care for her) or both. And then again, I have this strange feeling he really endangered his and Raouls life to force Christin to choose Erik... stupid me, I guess. |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Jan 7, 2012 18:06:51 GMT -6
Well the Beauty and the Beast story is sort of a combination of the myth of Haephestus and Aphrodite and the story "East of the Sun and West of the Moon," which is basically Cupid and Psyche but with a polar bear.
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Jan 9, 2012 13:32:08 GMT -6
Well the Beauty and the Beast story is sort of a combination of the myth of Haephestus and Aphrodite and the story "East of the Sun and West of the Moon," which is basically Cupid and Psyche but with a polar bear. Right you are. Almost every story can be found within the ancient mythologies. Even romeo and Juliet. What I'd like to know: Leroux wanted people to believe it's a true story... Why did he let the chandelier drop and not the counterweight? Because that DID happen... |
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Post by asianorange on Jan 9, 2012 14:54:08 GMT -6
Maybe a chandelier dropping was more exciting than just a counterweight? Shock and awe and all that...
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Post by nessundorma345 on Jan 9, 2012 15:02:35 GMT -6
Maybe a chandelier dropping was more exciting than just a counterweight? Shock and awe and all that... would it be more noticeable to the audience? I think that is actually my favorite (non E/C) scene in the whole book. So creepy! |
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