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Post by asianorange on Dec 6, 2011 16:45:46 GMT -6
I actually really like Raoul. Leroux was more about him than anything else and tried to illustrate him as a suitable suitor above anything else. He’s such a sweetheart. I really feel for him - being raised by his aunts and older brother who spoils him to no end, he ends up being rather a Nancy. He cries a lot, especially when he sees Christine, thus giving Phillipe a reason to be ashamed of him.Also, he's he’s a sailor lad. I have a soft spot for them. However, he’s not just a girly girl boy. I think he’s rather lustful, hasty and impulsive - he says things without thinking, insulting Christine numerous times (and she stands up to him in some). At the end of the day, though, he really cares, and though often puzzled and sometimes angered by Christine’s allegiance to Erik, he tries to understand. I don't know... He's not a useless hero, but he's not the typical romantic hero in my eyes. I think it's a nice change that the girl "saves" the guy. That's a really great way of looking at him. I never really thought about it before other than I felt that he was sort of useless but that he did care about Christine. And it IS nice that she gets to save him. |
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Post by nijil-xnv on Dec 6, 2011 17:43:43 GMT -6
Raoul behaved just like a young man innthat situation would. He had no idea what to do, hahaha. You're my new best friend. Why thank you. |
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Post by nijil-xnv on Dec 6, 2011 17:47:20 GMT -6
Of course he does. That other guy didn't even stand a chance. But Christine chose Raoul =_= Ah, silly girl... No, she chose Erik. But once Erik realized she was willing to love him for himself he was so overwhelmed by his own love and knowing that they wouldn't have forever together he let her go to Raoul. At least that's the way I understood it. |
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Post by nessundorma345 on Dec 7, 2011 15:20:11 GMT -6
I actually really like Raoul. Leroux was more about him than anything else and tried to illustrate him as a suitable suitor above anything else. He’s such a sweetheart. I guiltily R/C ship as often as I E/C ship... well, i mean, i love Erik more, obviously, but I do love Raoul when he is in character unlike love never dies |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 7, 2011 15:49:38 GMT -6
I actually really like Raoul. Leroux was more about him than anything else and tried to illustrate him as a suitable suitor above anything else. He’s such a sweetheart. I guiltily R/C ship as often as I E/C ship... well, i mean, i love Erik more, obviously, but I do love Raoul when he is in character unlike love never diesDon't feel guilty! I mean I try not to ship stuff just because people get very protective over their ships...but I totally understand what you mean. I mean obviously Erik is way more intriguing as a character and he tugs at my heartstrings in a way that Raoul does NOT but the way Raoul is in the ALW musical, he is a sweetheart. I mean he's pompous and sort of overbearing but I thought he was a very earnest character and very much in love with Christine. I think he has to be head over heels to have any chance against an extremely passionate, half-mad, musical genius that is the Phantom who loves Christine like nothing else in this world. (Unlike in Love Never Dies where ALW just threw his other characterization out the window and was like let me make him totally unlike himself. Geez ALW, at least have some consistency!) |
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Post by muirin007 on Dec 7, 2011 21:12:11 GMT -6
I actually really like Raoul. Leroux was more about him than anything else and tried to illustrate him as a suitable suitor above anything else. He’s such a sweetheart. I really feel for him - being raised by his aunts and older brother who spoils him to no end, he ends up being rather a Nancy. He cries a lot, especially when he sees Christine, thus giving Phillipe a reason to be ashamed of him.Also, he's he’s a sailor lad. I have a soft spot for them. However, he’s not just a girly girl boy. I think he’s rather lustful, hasty and impulsive - he says things without thinking, insulting Christine numerous times (and she stands up to him in some). At the end of the day, though, he really cares, and though often puzzled and sometimes angered by Christine’s allegiance to Erik, he tries to understand. I don't know... He's not a useless hero, but he's not the typical romantic hero in my eyes. I think it's a nice change that the girl "saves" the guy. AMEN! I completely agree with you. Very interesting what you said about Christine saving Raoul. She's sort of the driving force behind the novel, isn't she? In the end, she's the one with the true power. She's the hero, in a way. I've never not liked Raoul. I think he's very sweet, and genuinely cares about Christine and her safety. I can't blame his reaction. Realistically, if you saw the woman you loved being stalked by a madman with glaring antisocial tendencies, wouldn't you panic? And Raoul always did have a tendency to want to play the hero. But he wasn't doing what he did just to ruin Christine's chances with Erik: Erik is NOT the sort of guy you want to bring home to momma. I love him to death, but for Pete's sake, he's incredibly unstable. In the end, Christine and Raoul are perfect for each other. They're both living in a sort of dream world. |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 7, 2011 21:51:38 GMT -6
I love him to death, but for Pete's sake, he's incredibly unstable. Exactly what I thought! |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Dec 15, 2011 14:33:01 GMT -6
What I really, REALLY and absolutely HATE abour Raoul is the fact that he stops Christine from singing!!
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Post by asianorange on Dec 15, 2011 14:55:21 GMT -6
What I really, REALLY and absolutely HATE abour Raoul is the fact that he stops Christine from singing!! Hmm...I don't know if he stops her from singing. I mean I never got that from the books I've read. I mean if she marries him and he's a Vicomte, maybe the social rules of the time would have stopped her from gracing the stage, if she was going to be a "proper" Vicomtess. But in Leroux's book they run away somewhere more North and I'm guessing Raoul doesn't return to Paris society so who knows? Maybe she does continue singing. In Kay's novel it seemed more like after she leaves Erik, it seems more like she just didn't seem inspired to sing after she um...leaves...(I don't want to spoil the end for anyone...which is why I'm skirting the ending). |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Dec 15, 2011 15:03:46 GMT -6
What I really, REALLY and absolutely HATE abour Raoul is the fact that he stops Christine from singing!! Hmm...I don't know if he stops her from singing. I mean I never got that from the books I've read. I mean if she marries him and he's a Vicomte, maybe the social rules of the time would have stopped her from gracing the stage, if she was going to be a "proper" Vicomtess. But in Leroux's book they run away somewhere more North and I'm guessing Raoul doesn't return to Paris society so who knows? Maybe she does continue singing. In Kay's novel it seemed more like after she leaves Erik, it seems more like she just didn't seem inspired to sing after she um...leaves...(I don't want to spoil the end for anyone...which is why I'm skirting the ending). Well, if I'd be Raoul (Heaven forbid!!) and I'd love Christine for all she is and does, I'D give a DAMN about society and let her sing all she wants. And he's the Count now, since Phillipe died... Maybe I'm biased by the movies... where I only know TWO where Christine continues to sing after the whole affair... |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 15, 2011 15:24:09 GMT -6
Hmm...I don't know if he stops her from singing. I mean I never got that from the books I've read. I mean if she marries him and he's a Vicomte, maybe the social rules of the time would have stopped her from gracing the stage, if she was going to be a "proper" Vicomtess. But in Leroux's book they run away somewhere more North and I'm guessing Raoul doesn't return to Paris society so who knows? Maybe she does continue singing. In Kay's novel it seemed more like after she leaves Erik, it seems more like she just didn't seem inspired to sing after she um...leaves...(I don't want to spoil the end for anyone...which is why I'm skirting the ending). Well, if I'd be Raoul (Heaven forbid!!) and I'd love Christine for all she is and does, I'D give a DAMN about society and let her sing all she wants. And he's the Count now, since Phillipe died... Maybe I'm biased by the movies... where I only know TWO where Christine continues to sing after the whole affair... Ohh well the movies are different...haha I haven't watched the movies so I don't know about them. I try to take it from the books...even in ALW's sequel Christine still sings. |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Dec 15, 2011 15:39:30 GMT -6
Well, if I'd be Raoul (Heaven forbid!!) and I'd love Christine for all she is and does, I'D give a DAMN about society and let her sing all she wants. And he's the Count now, since Phillipe died... Maybe I'm biased by the movies... where I only know TWO where Christine continues to sing after the whole affair... Ohh well the movies are different...haha I haven't watched the movies so I don't know about them. I try to take it from the books...even in ALW's sequel Christine still sings. I can't argue on that. You are perfectly right. Erik'd turn in his grave if she wouldn't continue to sing... And she'd be wasting a wonderful gift. |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 15, 2011 15:49:41 GMT -6
Ohh well the movies are different...haha I haven't watched the movies so I don't know about them. I try to take it from the books...even in ALW's sequel Christine still sings. I can't argue on that. You are perfectly right. Erik'd turn in his grave if she wouldn't continue to sing... And she'd be wasting a wonderful gift. Haha Erik WOULD be turning in his grave if she just fettered away her talent...actually I think he would emerge from the grave just to scold her... |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Dec 15, 2011 15:51:32 GMT -6
I can't argue on that. You are perfectly right. Erik'd turn in his grave if she wouldn't continue to sing... And she'd be wasting a wonderful gift. Haha Erik WOULD be turning in his grave if she just fettered away her talent...actually I think he would emerge from the grave just to scold her... *goes and abducts Christine to raise Erik from the dead* |
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Post by tiannangel on Dec 16, 2011 2:53:01 GMT -6
What I really, REALLY and absolutely HATE abour Raoul is the fact that he stops Christine from singing!! Hmm...I don't know if he stops her from singing. I mean I never got that from the books I've read. I mean if she marries him and he's a Vicomte, maybe the social rules of the time would have stopped her from gracing the stage, if she was going to be a "proper" Vicomtess. But in Leroux's book they run away somewhere more North and I'm guessing Raoul doesn't return to Paris society so who knows? Maybe she does continue singing. In Kay's novel it seemed more like after she leaves Erik, it seems more like she just didn't seem inspired to sing after she um...leaves...(I don't want to spoil the end for anyone...which is why I'm skirting the ending). Considering society back then, and Raoul being the younger brother and really having no inheritance to speak of, his marriage to Christine would've been terribly frowned upon. It's no wonder that they ran away to the North - they probably would've been shunned by the higher class, Raoul marrying an Opera singer. I think that's one of the main reasons why I do love the character of Raoul. He was willing to go through all of that to marry Christine, and that takes both bravery and a hell of a lot of love. I admit, I was a fervent Raoul basher after watching the 2004 hunkalicious Gerry!Phantom, but after I read the books and watched all the different adaptations, Raoul just grows more and more on me. I honestly think that Raoul is wonderful for Christine. I hate what ALW did to his character in LND. Kay's novel makes me evn more sympathetic and admiring of Raoul as a person. I won't spoil the end, but you'll understand what I mean if you read it. It takes a truly good person with a huge heart to do what Raoul did. |
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