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Post by salierisantfarm on Dec 27, 2011 12:24:13 GMT -6
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Post by asianorange on Dec 27, 2011 13:15:15 GMT -6
Ouch...that would have been a very painful existence for him.
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Post by wulphe on Dec 27, 2011 15:00:36 GMT -6
There's no way he'd ever realistically have all that! Who here has ever watched "House, M.D."? Lol. XD Kay Phantom wouldn't be possible in real life if he had all those different conditions at the same time. Leroux Phantom is so awesome because of how realistic he is. So much research was put into this book, that people TODAY still think the Phantom could have existed, or at least that it was physically, and psychologically possible. I also discredit Kay slightly for copying Sherlock Holmes a bit too much. Erik's personality in Kay's book is more like Sherlock than Leroux's Erik, and Nadir is TOTALLY Watson. Also, the whole opium addiction thing is a mega-rip off of Holmes, which many authors seem to like reproducing. I seriously doubt Leroux's Erik was an opium addict. More likely he was bipolar and maybe an alcoholic. >.> OH! I have a suggestion for a Gerik deformity! (Other than skin rash or sunburn) A Port Wine Stain. When you're young it doesn't look as bad, but when you get older it starts to sag and bulge, like in that photo. It's kinda like a really bad birthmark. |
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Post by wulphe on Dec 27, 2011 15:04:33 GMT -6
On a side note, I confirm with my doctor.. I do have a mild form of Marfan Syndrome.. (Oh boy?) So.. thanks! I'm actually pretty happy because it explains a few things that had always bugged me, like heart problems and weak wrists.. and creepy fingers. This information is actually pretty important, for various reasons.
Sorry for the double post. But seriously, I owe you guys! ^.^
Yay for awesome forum debates!
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Post by asianorange on Dec 27, 2011 15:13:47 GMT -6
There's no way he'd ever realistically have all that! Who here has ever watched "House, M.D."? Lol. XD Kay Phantom wouldn't be possible in real life if he had all those different conditions at the same time. Leroux Phantom is so awesome because of how realistic he is. So much research was put into this book, that people TODAY still think the Phantom could have existed, or at least that it was physically, and psychologically possible. I also discredit Kay slightly for copying Sherlock Holmes a bit too much. Erik's personality in Kay's book is more like Sherlock than Leroux's Erik, and Nadir is TOTALLY Watson. Also, the whole opium addiction thing is a mega-rip off of Holmes, which many authors seem to like reproducing. I seriously doubt Leroux's Erik was an opium addict. More likely he was bipolar and maybe an alcoholic. >.> OH! I have a suggestion for a Gerik deformity! (Other than skin rash or sunburn) A Port Wine Stain. When you're young it doesn't look as bad, but when you get older it starts to sag and bulge, like in that photo. It's kinda like a really bad birthmark. Haha. I've watched House! Sometimes though the actual disease seems less realistic because the patient has like four diseases that all somehow affect each other... What was Leroux's Phantom's medical condition? I know he was skeletal looking with no nose but what was the condition that he had? I don't know, I liked Kay's Phantom, even though I understand what you're saying about Sherlock Holmes. I feel like it's understandable to think that Erik had an opium addiction. He even says in the book to Nadir something about if you had my face you would be addicted too... And Nadir as Watson...I can see that now. Haha. And the Gerik condition, I was thinking that! I knew a girl who had a milder form I just didn't know what it was called. |
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Post by wulphe on Dec 27, 2011 15:44:56 GMT -6
There's no way he'd ever realistically have all that! Who here has ever watched "House, M.D."? Lol. XD Kay Phantom wouldn't be possible in real life if he had all those different conditions at the same time. Leroux Phantom is so awesome because of how realistic he is. So much research was put into this book, that people TODAY still think the Phantom could have existed, or at least that it was physically, and psychologically possible. I also discredit Kay slightly for copying Sherlock Holmes a bit too much. Erik's personality in Kay's book is more like Sherlock than Leroux's Erik, and Nadir is TOTALLY Watson. Also, the whole opium addiction thing is a mega-rip off of Holmes, which many authors seem to like reproducing. I seriously doubt Leroux's Erik was an opium addict. More likely he was bipolar and maybe an alcoholic. >.> OH! I have a suggestion for a Gerik deformity! (Other than skin rash or sunburn) A Port Wine Stain. When you're young it doesn't look as bad, but when you get older it starts to sag and bulge, like in that photo. It's kinda like a really bad birthmark. Haha. I've watched House! Sometimes though the actual disease seems less realistic because the patient has like four diseases that all somehow affect each other... What was Leroux's Phantom's medical condition? I know he was skeletal looking with no nose but what was the condition that he had? I don't know, I liked Kay's Phantom, even though I understand what you're saying about Sherlock Holmes. I feel like it's understandable to think that Erik had an opium addiction. He even says in the book to Nadir something about if you had my face you would be addicted too... And Nadir as Watson...I can see that now. Haha. And the Gerik condition, I was thinking that! I knew a girl who had a milder form I just didn't know what it was called. 90% of the time in House when his underlings offer up diagnoses with more than one contributing disease/condition, he immediately ignores them because the chances of one person suffering from 2+ different things at the same time is really unlikely, especially if they're genetic mutations or birth defects. Most of the time, all of the symptoms can be explained with 1 cause, it's just a matter of finding which one precisely fits. Also, it's never lupus. XD Erik's condition was never named by Leroux himself, but several possible causes have been suggested by fans, from leprosy to porphyria. It's likely his only problem at birth was being without a nose, and he developed everything else along the way, such as thin build, sunken eyes, and hair loss from malnutrition and stress. I seriously doubt he was born with a skeletal frame, sunken eyes, and no hair, or with yellow, possibly rotting skin. Personally, if I wanna read about Sherlock, I'll go read Sir Arthur. I take no Sherlock imitators. I like Leroux Erik just the way he is. <3 |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 27, 2011 16:30:54 GMT -6
90% of the time in House when his underlings offer up diagnoses with more than one contributing disease/condition, he immediately ignores them because the chances of one person suffering from 2+ different things at the same time is really unlikely, especially if they're genetic mutations or birth defects. Most of the time, all of the symptoms can be explained with 1 cause, it's just a matter of finding which one precisely fits. Also, it's never lupus. XD Erik's condition was never named by Leroux himself, but several possible causes have been suggested by fans, from leprosy to porphyria. It's likely his only problem at birth was being without a nose, and he developed everything else along the way, such as thin build, sunken eyes, and hair loss from malnutrition and stress. I seriously doubt he was born with a skeletal frame, sunken eyes, and no hair, or with yellow, possibly rotting skin. Personally, if I wanna read about Sherlock, I'll go read Sir Arthur. I take no Sherlock imitators. I like Leroux Erik just the way he is. <3 Hmm I see. Well I feel like it's getting even more like there are three different conditions, maybe because it's been on so many seasons. And yes, it is never lupus...except when it is. Haha. I think there was one episode where it was lupus...and it threw him for a loop. Oh I see...hmm...I always thought he was born that way. Maybe not the rotting skin...but I thought he would have been born thin, with sunken eyes and with very little hair. Maybe the yellow skin is due to jaundice? But I can see how malnutrition could make his thin frame even skinnier as well as his hair falling out. Though, can a person function properly while being so malnourished that their eyes have sunk in? If you're suffering from malnutrition it would seem like if your eyes have sunk in you wouldn't be able to move anymore...? Hahaha, I see. Hmm...I like Kay's Phantom because he seems more human. Leroux's Erik seems very inhuman. I think both work well together though. Because Leroux writes from the perspective of the people who didn't know anything about Erik (except for Nadir but even Nadir doesn't seem to consider him fully human either) and considering him not human, a monster, or less-than-human and Kay writes from the perspective of the people who consider him a man albeit with a bad deformity, including Erik himself (which is why I don't mind Nadir-as-Watson because he seems to connect more with Erik as a person). It's difficult to connect with Leroux's Erik for me because I'm not sure what he's thinking and a lot of the book he isn't present, he's just a shape, or a shadow, an idea or an apparition. He's never allowed to be an actual person until the end...but by then he's gone crazy... |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Dec 27, 2011 18:40:57 GMT -6
On a side note, I confirm with my doctor.. I do have a mild form of Marfan Syndrome.. (Oh boy?) So.. thanks! I'm actually pretty happy because it explains a few things that had always bugged me, like heart problems and weak wrists.. and creepy fingers. This information is actually pretty important, for various reasons. Sorry for the double post. But seriously, I owe you guys! ^.^ Yay for awesome forum debates! Yay indeed. To quote Dr. Horrible, "What a crazy random happenstance." Thing about the Port Wine Stain: If it doesn't look that bad when you're a kid, then why was he put on display as the "Devil's Child"? Also, about coinciding genetic disorders: The fact that the probability of someone having multiple genetic disorders is close to zero doesn't necessarily mean that it CAN'T happen. It may be one millionth of one percent, but the possibility is still there, regardless of how unlikely it is. CHANGING THE SUBJECT FROM MATH... I think it would be entertaining to have House treat Leroux Erik. "Of love, doctor, I am dying of love!" "No, you're dying of cardiac and respiratory failure and I need to figure out why." |
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Post by asianorange on Dec 27, 2011 19:38:10 GMT -6
Thing about the Port Wine Stain: If it doesn't look that bad when you're a kid, then why was he put on display as the "Devil's Child"? Also, about coinciding genetic disorders: The fact that the probability of someone having multiple genetic disorders is close to zero doesn't necessarily mean that it CAN'T happen. It may be one millionth of one percent, but the possibility is still there, regardless of how unlikely it is. CHANGING THE SUBJECT FROM MATH... I think it would be entertaining to have House treat Leroux Erik. "Of love, doctor, I am dying of love!" "No, you're dying of cardiac and respiratory failure and I need to figure out why." Hmm umm I don't know? Maybe he had a bad case of it even when he was a child? Or maybe there was a stigma around it? For the genetic disorders--yeah that's along the lines of what I was thinking. Crossover ftw! They're both kinda curmudgeon-ly... You know...House is like the medical version of Sherlock Holmes with Watson's wound. And Wilson IS Watson...why didn't I see this before? .... |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Dec 27, 2011 21:00:38 GMT -6
Random and fairly recent headcanon: I sometimes like thinking of Leroux Erik as being Jewish.
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Post by wulphe on Dec 27, 2011 22:14:22 GMT -6
Yay indeed. To quote Dr. Horrible, "What a crazy random happenstance." Also, about coinciding genetic disorders: The fact that the probability of someone having multiple genetic disorders is close to zero doesn't necessarily mean that it CAN'T happen. It may be one millionth of one percent, but the possibility is still there, regardless of how unlikely it is. CHANGING THE SUBJECT FROM MATH... I think it would be entertaining to have House treat Leroux Erik. "Of love, doctor, I am dying of love!" "No, you're dying of cardiac and respiratory failure and I need to figure out why." <3 Dr. Horrible! It was indeed a crazy random happenstance. ^.^ Well, yeah.. it's technically not impossible but... It's like ridiculously unlikely! To the point of being absurd. I could maybe see him having 2 genetic mutations/disorders, particularly if they aren't rare ones, but to have 3+ rare genetic disorders... I don't think there have statistically been enough members of the homosapien species yet to exist for a statistical miracle like that to be believable. I'm more likely to witness the birth of a unicorn-like mutant horse within my lifetime.. or shake hands with an alien. So, while Kay Erik's various symptoms may be explained through a combination of various deformities, I'm happy to just say that she didn't research any conditions to model Erik after, she just picked a couple interesting traits from different sources and ran with them. House and Phantom crossover?! This... is... AWESOME! I think I love you. I think they might end up killing each other. They're both very stubbornly set in their ways and not used to compromise. Wilson and Nadir might have to team up, or it will be a very bad outlook for a goodly number of the human race!! "Oh goodness, look at my wrist. I gotta go!" |
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Post by wulphe on Dec 27, 2011 22:18:33 GMT -6
Random and fairly recent headcanon: I sometimes like thinking of Leroux Erik as being Jewish. Mazel tov! Lol. Does.. umm.. err. How should I put this. Bluntly: Does that mean he's circumcised? XD |
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Post by salierisantfarm on Dec 27, 2011 23:17:09 GMT -6
Random and fairly recent headcanon: I sometimes like thinking of Leroux Erik as being Jewish. Mazel tov! Lol. Does.. umm.. err. How should I put this. Bluntly: Does that mean he's circumcised? XD Oh gosh. I guess it does. I am dying of laughter right now! XD |
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Post by The-Savage-Nymph on Dec 28, 2011 2:47:30 GMT -6
There's no way he'd ever realistically have all that! Who here has ever watched "House, M.D."? Lol. XD Kay Phantom wouldn't be possible in real life if he had all those different conditions at the same time. Leroux Phantom is so awesome because of how realistic he is. So much research was put into this book, that people TODAY still think the Phantom could have existed, or at least that it was physically, and psychologically possible. I also discredit Kay slightly for copying Sherlock Holmes a bit too much. Erik's personality in Kay's book is more like Sherlock than Leroux's Erik, and Nadir is TOTALLY Watson. Also, the whole opium addiction thing is a mega-rip off of Holmes, which many authors seem to like reproducing. I seriously doubt Leroux's Erik was an opium addict. More likely he was bipolar and maybe an alcoholic. >.> OH! I have a suggestion for a Gerik deformity! (Other than skin rash or sunburn) A Port Wine Stain. When you're young it doesn't look as bad, but when you get older it starts to sag and bulge, like in that photo. It's kinda like a really bad birthmark. I think there has to be a bit of Kays Erik in Lerouxs Erik too, since I cannot imagine a Man talking in third person, wearing fake noses and black masks and stalking sopranos in Persia. He had to be more debonair back then. I mean, okay, still wearing a mask and all, but... Lerouxs Erik comes across as a little child asking for love. Desperate, alone, mad with love and grief. But he was young once. And besides, do you think Kay would have been as much read if she hadn't "Sherlocked" Erik a bit? That's what the musical did too. And she composed her story out of the original novel, the musical and some other adaptations. |
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Post by wulphe on Dec 28, 2011 13:52:26 GMT -6
There's no way he'd ever realistically have all that! Who here has ever watched "House, M.D."? Lol. XD Kay Phantom wouldn't be possible in real life if he had all those different conditions at the same time. Leroux Phantom is so awesome because of how realistic he is. So much research was put into this book, that people TODAY still think the Phantom could have existed, or at least that it was physically, and psychologically possible. I also discredit Kay slightly for copying Sherlock Holmes a bit too much. Erik's personality in Kay's book is more like Sherlock than Leroux's Erik, and Nadir is TOTALLY Watson. Also, the whole opium addiction thing is a mega-rip off of Holmes, which many authors seem to like reproducing. I seriously doubt Leroux's Erik was an opium addict. More likely he was bipolar and maybe an alcoholic. >.> OH! I have a suggestion for a Gerik deformity! (Other than skin rash or sunburn) A Port Wine Stain. When you're young it doesn't look as bad, but when you get older it starts to sag and bulge, like in that photo. It's kinda like a really bad birthmark. I think there has to be a bit of Kays Erik in Lerouxs Erik too, since I cannot imagine a Man talking in third person, wearing fake noses and black masks and stalking sopranos in Persia. He had to be more debonair back then. I mean, okay, still wearing a mask and all, but... Lerouxs Erik comes across as a little child asking for love. Desperate, alone, mad with love and grief. But he was young once. And besides, do you think Kay would have been as much read if she hadn't "Sherlocked" Erik a bit? That's what the musical did too. And she composed her story out of the original novel, the musical and some other adaptations. Err.. I don't think there has to be a little Kay in Leroux. Why did he have to be more debonair back in Persia? Nothing required him to be. He was contracted to build a palace and a torture chamber, and used as an assassin, likely with little other social contact. Talking in third person doesn't seem unreasonable for someone who was basically the Shah's tool. Much of Kerik's past was made up following tiny hints that Leroux gave, or from ALW, or original. I agree that Erik wouldn't have been chasing sopranos in Persia, but what would have prevented him from wearing masks and false noses? He also doesn't talk in third person all the time, nor does he do it because he's angry. Psychologically speaking, when someone speaks in third person, the main reason for it is to separate themselves from reality or from their body. It's an identity disorder and a form of escapism. Usually when they aren't using third person speech, they're "role playing" their own personality, or whichever personality is suitable for the moment, and it helps to detach their emotions from everything their body is doing. Either that or they have multiple identities, like Gollum in LotR, but Erik doesn't seem to. Part of the reason Erik acts like a child some times may be from his lack of true (normal) social development, and/or his lack of sympathy for other people, and/or him role playing. He's definitely not a child inside, and I think he puts up a bit of an act because he has no social restrictions and it's fun for him. It creeps the Persian out, but why should Erik care about that? Also, if he is bipolar, such a display could be the result of a manic episode. Mania can make a normal, socially developed person completely ignore social norms during their "high". Think of the feeling when you're really hyper and act like an idiot, now multiply that by 10. To me, Lerik doesn't seem like a child asking for love, he seems like a very damaged individual who's coming apart at the seams over love and he doesn't really have the ability to handle it. He's pretty much in the midst of a nasty breakdown. Everything in his world is different because of Christine. He's creepy and psychotic, not squishy and innocent. Eh.. I don't think the musical "Sherlocked" Erik. More likely it "Webbered" Erik, playing out the similarities between ALW's love of Sarah Brightman and Erik's love of Christine. What greater inspiration to an artist than love? XD I'd certainly LOVE to read a first-person history of Erik without "Sherlocking" him. I can see why people like it in Kay, because I like Sherlock in Sherlock! Lol. I think there's an audience out there who'd appreciate a true-Leroux Erik though. It might not be AS popular, just like the 2004 Gerard movie is more popular than many other versions, but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for it. |
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